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This program is about unsolved mysteries. Whenever possible, the actual family members

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and police officials have participated in recreating the events. What you are about

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to see is not a news broadcast.

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Virginine price, extraordinary events are almost commonplace. Objects hurl themselves

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across the room and appliances explode. Now researchers are attempting to unravel the

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mystery, Janine's psychokinetic powers.

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In 1980, a woman named Edda Smith says she experienced a haunting psychic vision. A

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vision so powerful and so persistent that it led her directly to the body of a murder

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victim. In credit, Edda's detailed description of the crime was so accurate that she became

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a suspect herself.

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Tonight, a special unsolved mysteries report. Mysteries of the psychic mind.

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Perhaps the most dramatic mystery of the human mind is a phenomenon known as psychokinesis,

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the ability to affect objects without so much as a touch.

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In Pennsylvania, a troubled young man named Don Decker seemed to cause what could only

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be labeled as rainstorms. Bizarre showers had followed wherever he went. Nine credible

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witnesses, including police and clergy, verified Decker's extraordinary experiences.

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Having a cop for 40 years and I never ran anything like this here, never. I mean, there's always

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an explanation when something happens. If you got investigated, you come up with something,

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this is why it happened. This case here, there is no explanation.

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Then, there's Janine Price of Long Beach, California.

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I'll give it to you in the car.

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By her own account, Janine Price has endured a series of baffling psychic episodes that

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stretches back to her childhood. But even before objects began to spark and explode around

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her, Janine claimed she discovered she had the unsettling ability to read minds and predict

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the future. It all began around the age of 10. Janine says she was consumed by an inexplicable,

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yet unshakable feeling that she had a sister, a sister she had never met. Janine's mother

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refused to answer her questions.

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She just ignored me. So then I became even more obsessed with finding out who this person

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was that I was seeing, that I went prying into my parents' personal effects one time.

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There were a lot of pictures of children and other people, but this one picture I came

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across when I touched it, I knew it had to be the person.

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Mom! Mom!

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What? What?

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Who's this?

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What did you get this?

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I was just looking through some of Dad's things.

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I told you never to go through our things.

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Mom, who is it?

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It's nobody. It's just a picture.

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I know who this is. It's my sister, isn't it?

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I know it. It's my sister.

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Janine's mother was finally forced to admit that Janine did indeed have a half-sister,

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Judy, from her father's previous marriage. But there was more to Janine's premonition,

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a terrifying revelation she hardly dared put into words.

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I then told my mother in a brief, simple form that, Mom, I know I'm going to meet her one

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day and right after I meet her, she's going to die.

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And she says, Mom, I hate to tell you this, but she says, something's going to happen to Judy.

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I know she's going to die and something was her head. Something's blood in her head.

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Something's going to burst.

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Years later, Janine did meet the sister she says she envisioned while still a child.

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In April of 1980, Janine's brother Andrew showed up accompanied by none other than the long-lost Judy.

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Hi.

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Janine.

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Judy.

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How are you?

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We bonded very, very quickly. Very closely, matter of fact.

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Come on, then. You must be tired.

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I told her that I had a feeling that she was going to have a short life after she had known me.

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I just knew it wasn't my place to do so.

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All the time, there were times where I want to say, Judy, now don't go out the door,

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because you're not going to live. And I want to spend a lot of time with you.

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Within a year, Judy was admitted to the hospital complaining of severe headaches.

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Her doctor assured the family that it was nothing more serious than migraines.

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But Janine recalls it on her first visit. She sensed her childhood premonition would soon be fulfilled.

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As soon as I touched Judy, the sense of death and illness was so strong.

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I think I became too overpowerful, too overbearing with the doctor.

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I started suggesting that he take X-rays of her skull and her brain and CAT scans.

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No, I noticed that you haven't done any tests on her.

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Well, we've done a couple of tests. I'm glad to report she's going to be alright.

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Well, the test that she really needed, she needs a brain scan.

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Brain scan?

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Yes.

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Is there some medical information out on that? Do you know the name of a former doctor?

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No, but it's very important. You see, I didn't want to tell you this, but she has a brain aneurysm.

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I don't think this would be a good time to talk to her about that right now.

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I remember the doctor telling me, he was, who would know better?

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You don't even know what you're talking about, you're not the doctor.

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And I said, no, I'm not, but I know my sister has aneurysm on her brain.

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And he just kind of like shrugged me off.

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You need to do this right now. This is my sister's life over there you're talking about.

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And as I got more persistent with the doctor, he finally had me escort it with security from the facility.

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I remember distinctly Jeanine warning everyone that what they did for her wasn't enough, that she needed something to detect.

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It might have been an internal problem, indeed there was, because shortly afterwards she died.

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Judith Kelly Price died on August 8th, 1980 at the age of 35, cause of death, an aneurysm of the brain.

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For Jeanine, the devastating loss was the most painful episode in a lifetime of frustration.

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I feel very alone. It's like a captain without a port.

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You know you belong somewhere, but where do you find that place to belong?

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You're not considered to be normal, but you're not abnormal.

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In September of 1994, Jeanine sought out Dr. Michael Persinger, one of the world's foremost experts in psychic phenomena.

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His laboratory at Laurentian University in Canada is at the forefront of efforts to find areas of the brain that produce psychic experiences.

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When individuals feel that they can see into the future, and they have verified experiences of precognition,

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and you look at those portions of the brain that are most active, what you find is that these individuals' brains are organized in such a way

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as that they can make connections between events that most people cannot.

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Dr. Persinger and his staff have tested thousands of individuals, including Jeanine Price.

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He has come to believe that psychic episodes result from brief bursts of unusually high levels of electricity within the brain, similar to epileptic seizures.

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In terms of the activity of Jeanine's brain, what happens during brief periods of time is that normal functions are enhanced way, way above normal.

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What precognition is, is that you're seeing things in time outside the normal temporal frame.

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Well, suppose portions of the brain that mediate space and time are suddenly enhanced in terms of activity.

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Simply put, Dr. Persinger says the brain is something like a television receiver.

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The components within a standard TV could be rewired to receive channels that aren't on the dial.

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During seizure conditions, the brain can be similarly reorganized.

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The result may be enhanced, possibly psychic capabilities, a brain less constrained by time or space.

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Of the 30 or 40 individuals with Jeanine's profile, many of them also report having the ability to influence objects at a distance.

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The experiences such as light bulbs exploding around them, radios failing, glass breaking.

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I didn't do this as a child. It developed as I became an adult.

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There were several incidents where things actually exploded in my hands.

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I remember one time I was holding a coffee pot.

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Coffee? Yeah, sure, thanks.

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And then I went through many more situations where we finally had to remove all our glass glasses out of the house.

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Because if I touched them and if I got upset, they would break in my hand. They would shatter.

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And generally it appears that these occurrences are associated with stress and tension.

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And the theory is that they are a means of the mind of the brain to release the stress or tension in the individual.

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Jeanine says a rash of psychokinetic activities erupted during a particularly stressful time of her life.

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She was divorced, raising two children and living at her mother's house.

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I've seen her get real upset. And she had some pictures on the wall one time.

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And she was terribly upset. She had her ex-husband had had words and so forth.

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It was really a trying situation.

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I can't talk to you like this, alright? Just forget it. Forget it! Goodbye!

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I can't believe it is accusing me. What did he say?

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What was that?

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She didn't want it to happen. It just happened.

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It was just like a magnetic force just went and just pulled us about the wall and slung it to the other side of the room.

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I think some of my son's little friends are kind of afraid of me because we were going out to the car one day in broad daylight.

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And I was just, I wasn't even angry. I was just charged up.

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Mom, can I have a dog for lunch?

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I'll give it to you in the car.

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What was that?

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The force was so strong that the energy that was coming off my hand actually caused sparks and the keys flew up out of my hand.

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It's not like any other mom getting mad because my mom's just like gets mad and she does all kinds of weird stuff.

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And you don't want to mess with her so she's not like any other mom.

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It can be scary at times because you know it's going to occur but you don't always know exactly when.

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And there's always that fear that you might have someone with you that you don't want hurt.

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Marie, come here.

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What?

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According to family members, one of the most dramatic incidents took place when Janine asked her son to warm up a baby bottle in the microwave.

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I was so tired, I put it on for one second and my mom got mad.

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She went over there and touched it and reset it.

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Janine would later call a factory repairman.

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He could think of nothing to explain the microwave's sudden destruction.

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He had told me out of all the years he had been surfacing.

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He said he had never seen anything like that.

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My daughter was in a hurry one day. She had to have an appointment somewhere.

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I don't remember exactly what it was.

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She had this outfit that she wanted to iron.

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And the children kept buzzing around her feet and pulling out her skirt and just really upsetting and irritating and aggravating.

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Especially when you're pressed for time and you've got to get some for yourself.

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What?

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What?

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Your brother will help you find a shoe.

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Help him find his shoe. It's probably over there in the corner.

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Hey, Ma, did you give him breakfast yet?

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I'm doing it now, honey.

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Don't forget the apples that are on the back of the refrigerator for the lunch.

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And she's just going like this, ironing away, you know?

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And I'm looking at the iron and the iron wasn't plugged in.

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What?

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What?

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I looked at the plug and I looked at her eyes and said, hey, would you like me to plug the iron in now?

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We do not know what type of energy it is, so we invent a term for it, P-K, psychokinesis.

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And that essentially stands for our ignorance. We don't know how it operates.

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By looking at the brains of people such as Janine, we might get an understanding of the form of energy that causes these types of incidents.

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Yes.

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Scientists are far from explaining the mysterious forces of psychokinesis.

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Even high-tech tools like magnetic resonance imaging have failed to reveal all the secrets of the human brain.

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Still, the exploration has helped Janine Price cope with the powerful forces she says once dominated her life.

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If I could bring at will the energy that I have when I'm frustrated or tired, I've been told that people like myself, that energy has been used and channeled into people with illnesses.

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If I could do that, I would like to do that.

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In a moment, a stunning clairvoyant vision leads a woman to the body of a murder victim as mysteries of a psychic mind continues.

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As a young girl, Eris Smith says she had the occasional odd feeling about events yet to happen, but nothing that led her to believe she possessed special abilities.

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Then at the age of 32, Etta had a single extraordinary psychic experience that changed her life forever.

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In 1980, Etta Smith was working in an aerospace facility in Burbank, California.

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On December 17th, a news bulletin triggered an overwhelming sense of dread.

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Police in Los Angeles report they have located the truck belonging to Melanie Uribe, the young nurse missing since last Wednesday.

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Thirty-one-year-old Melanie Uribe had not been seen for days, and investigators feared the worst.

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Despite a massive search, no one knew what had happened to her.

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A house-to-house search is currently underway. We will keep you posted on the...

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She's not in a house.

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It was as if someone was talking to me. It was a mental thought, but it was as if someone was speaking to me. She's not in a house.

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After that thought registered, it was as if I saw a picture.

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I saw a canyon area. I saw a road. I saw it curving.

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I saw a dirt path. I saw a shrubbery in itself, white through the shrubbery.

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I could not clearly see what the white was, but it was something distinctively white.

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And when I thought about that, I thought, well, if what I'm experiencing is the possibility of where this person could be,

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maybe the white I see is her uniform, knowing that she was a nurse.

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For Eda, the vision was so powerful and so profound, she felt compelled to tell the police, even at the risk of being ridiculed.

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Excuse me, Detective Ryan.

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Edda Smith?

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Yes.

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That sergeant said you had some information on Melanie Uribe.

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I couldn't just let it go.

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Because I kept wondering if this person needed help, and if their life depended on that help.

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Well, it would be very wrong of me not to do something.

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I'm not playing, but I think I've seen her.

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You've seen her?

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I gave her a lot of credibility based on the fact that she came in on her own.

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You'd found her truck.

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She indicated her conscience was bothering her, which triggered a response in me that possibly her conscience is bothering,

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because maybe she knows more than she's telling us.

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But then again, maybe she is, in fact, sincere and real.

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So let's treat her in that light until we find out otherwise.

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Based on her psychic vision, Edda pinpointed the area in Los Angeles County where she thought the missing nurse might be found.

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Lopez Canyon. That's it.

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Despite Detective Ryan's willingness to listen, Edda worried that the police would not do anything immediately,

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so she decided to investigate on her own.

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Accompanied by her daughter Tina, Edda drove to Lopez Canyon.

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I just don't understand this. I am so certain.

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When Edda stepped out of her car at the top of the canyon, the feeling of dread returned.

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Maybe I was wrong.

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Edda was certain that Melanie had not only been there, but that something horrible had happened to her.

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Oh no, she's here. No, she is definitely here.

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Let's go down.

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I felt trauma and I felt scared and I felt it was like an energy that was like tingling inside of me.

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It was sort of like you feel when you get an adrenaline rush.

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Let's look for something white.

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On the way back down the canyon, Edda and Tina noticed a set of fresh tire tracks.

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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What is it?

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I stopped for reasons unknown to me. I wanted to look at these tire marks and I wanted to put my hands in them.

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I'm starting to feel more trauma and it's starting to build and I'm getting more nervous.

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Oh my God.

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What's going on?

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She was here. She was right here.

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When it got to that point, it was like I was on overload.

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She was so frightened and...

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When we got back in the van, the only thing that I could think about is I want to leave here.

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I don't want to be here anymore.

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Further down the canyon, Edda stopped again when Tina noticed something unusual in the brush.

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I walk within six feet of this object.

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I could not tell what I was looking at.

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The only thing that I could truly distinguish and know what this was was she had on white nurse's shoes.

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Go! Go! Go!

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Edda immediately contacted the police.

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An autopsy later determined that the body was indeed Melanie Uribe.

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She had been robbed, raped and beaten to death.

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Edda Smith's clairvoyant vision had been confirmed.

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What would you have a seat right here? We just want to ask you a few questions.

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That evening, Edda was summoned to the police station.

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At 7 p.m. she was questioned by two detectives she had never seen before.

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I call you Edda, do you?

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No, that's fine.

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Did you know the victim, Melanie Uribe?

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No. No, I never met her. I just... I heard about her on the news.

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You've been up to Lopez Canyon.

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They wanted me to explain to them how the whole thing had unfolded.

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Mrs. Smith, whose body was it?

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And that seemed very normal to me.

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But after I felt I had finished telling them everything and filled in the blanks,

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it's like, okay, let's start at the beginning. Tell us this again.

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Let's just go through the psyche thing one more time, okay?

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So we go through the story again.

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And again. And again.

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I saw it in my head.

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You really expect us to believe this?

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This went on for hours.

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I don't know what you're going to believe.

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Until about 10 o'clock that evening,

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Mrs. Smith.

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When it comes very obvious to me that now I'm a suspect.

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You're a liar.

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Do you think I had something to do with this murder?

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Mrs. Smith, you know too much.

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There's too much of a coincidence.

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I don't have any idea what happened to that woman.

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The investigating officers having no other leads or clues

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didn't have any other choice at that time,

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but presumed she was, in fact, an accessory,

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either before or after the Commissioner of the Crime.

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It's today, Monday.

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Yes.

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Edda volunteered to take a polygraph exam.

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At midnight, five hours after she was first brought in for questioning,

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Edda underwent the first of two tests.

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She's telling the truth.

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Edda passed both exams.

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However, the detectives withheld that information.

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They were still convinced that only someone involved in the crime

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could know the details of the crime.

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You failed the polygraph test.

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I know it.

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I wasn't sure if it was a bluff or what.

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I was so tired, I don't think I really cared anymore.

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I wanted to get away from them.

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It was like I was either going to go home or I was going to jail.

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I'm not sure I cared, but I did get angry.

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You can't leave me here.

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At 5 a.m., Edda Smith was in the hospital.

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She was in the hospital.

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She was in the hospital.

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She was in the hospital.

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At 5 a.m., Edda Smith was formally booked on a charge of murder.

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Contact one of the jailers on how to reach me.

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But I'm telling the truth.

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For four days, Edda languished in jail,

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unaware of certain dramatic events taking place on the outside.

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Edda.

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It seems like we made a mistake.

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We've just arrested two young men who confessed to the murder of Melanie Uribe.

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In the end, Edda Smith was completely absolved.

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15 years later, the two confessed killers are still in prison.

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It's an Edda's case.

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I was quite amazed.

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And I think a lot of other people were too,

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but I think a lot of them were reluctant to want to admit it.

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Had it not been for Edda Smith,

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I don't think this case would have been solved as rapidly as it was,

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or possibly not at all.

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I sometimes wonder what it was that transpired

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from this innocent person who was murdered.

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How her death somehow reached out and touched me.

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I think it's one of the mysteries in life.

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That many things happen to us throughout our life that are unexplainable.

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Since the remarkable psychic experience in 1980,

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Edda Smith has honed her apparent powers.

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She has assisted police and crime victims in several cases,

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always providing her services free of charge.

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In a moment, you will meet a different kind of psychic.

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A man who claims his paranormal abilities

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enable him to communicate with the dead.

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Even for a professional psychic,

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an unusual occupation in itself,

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the man you're about to meet is unusual.

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James Van Prog claims that he can contact the spirits of the dead

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and convey the detailed messages to those they left behind.

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It may sound outlandish,

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but who among us have given the chance,

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wouldn't want to communicate with a loved one who has passed away?

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April 24, 1994, Burbank, California.

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A moving collection of photographs

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celebrates the brief life of a young man named Doug Raskin.

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Jewish tradition teaches us that when a person dies,

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it is only the body that dies.

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I believe that those of you who feel Doug's presence here...

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One week earlier, just shy of his 33rd birthday,

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the brilliant attorney and accomplished outdoorsman

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had fallen to his death while climbing Mount Fuji in Japan.

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Doug's parents, Sue and Don Raskin,

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did not know how or if they could overcome their grief.

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It just seemed like nobody could comfort us.

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And one of my relatives had mentioned James Van Prog,

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who was a medium.

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And I kind of picked on it real fast

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because I was looking for anything or anybody who could help.

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And I was looking for John and I at this time.

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I couldn't imagine anybody have the ability to be able to see somebody

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in another place.

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And I was very, very skeptical.

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I really didn't feel that that was where I was at at the time.

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I wasn't feeling well.

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And yet I was still hurting and needed to find something.

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Before their meeting with James Van Prog,

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Raskins gave the psychic no details whatsoever about themselves.

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This recreation is strictly based on transcripts from the actual session.

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Did you have a son?

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Did you have a son that passed over to the other side?

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He's here.

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Yes, oh God.

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Was this some kind of accident?

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Because he gives me accident.

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Was it car or something?

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No, mountain.

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Was there head injuries?

361
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The Raskins were duly impressed when Van Prog accurately stated that their son had died.

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Their excitement grew as Van Prog began to talk about other family members who had passed away.

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Is there a Nicky or a Mickey?

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Mickey's my father.

365
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And is there a Dottie or a Dorothy?

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I have an Aunt Dorothy.

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Did she pass over?

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Yeah.

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Who's Ben?

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Ben's my dad.

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When he told us all about these events and named all the people that were already gone many, many years,

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some of them were gone a dozen or so years ago,

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and their personalities that they had that were so right on,

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I mean, there's just no way possible.

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Sue and Don were astonished as James recounted specifics of Doug's funeral

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that only those who had been at the service could have known.

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Did you have a whole bunch of pictures of him doing different things?

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He saw that.

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On one side of the room was a whole bunch of pictures or something.

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Yes, a collage.

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A collage of different pictures.

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Yes, he saw that.

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And then there was like one main picture was there?

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Yes, in a card we made for him with a saying.

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I just couldn't believe that James would know all these things.

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And he specifically addressed the fact that the pictures and the collage that we had put out for that event,

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for the celebration, were absolutely spectacular.

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He says, I couldn't have done it better myself.

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And I really laughed at that because I would be Doug saying that because he loved photography.

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Basically, I'm a Clair sentient and I'm clairvoyant.

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Clair sentient means Clair sensing.

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I'm an individual who senses feelings and emotions with the spirit people, people that passed to the other side.

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I'm a sensitive.

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I'm able to pick up their thoughts and I feel their emotions when they come through and that's what I relate to people.

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And he shows me flowers all around.

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For the Raskins, any residual doubts he might have had were erased when James spoke of another family tragedy that had occurred 33 years earlier.

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You don't have another son, do you?

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No.

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Did you ever lose a baby?

400
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Yes.

401
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She lived for five days.

402
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I had completely forgot about that because I was there only for Doug.

403
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And I said, what?

404
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I had made him repeat it.

405
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He says, I said, your daughter's all grown up today.

406
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I said, oh my God, he knows about our daughter.

407
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Then I became such a believer.

408
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He likes the picture of himself taken at the base of the mountain.

409
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Was there a picture of him taken at the base of Mount Fuji, do you know?

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I don't know.

411
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I haven't seen him.

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The seance brought enormous comfort to Sue and Don, even though van Prog was not 100% accurate.

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In fact, the Raskins felt that he completely missed the mark when he talked about photos of Doug on Mount Fuji.

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They had been told that Doug's camera equipment was never recovered.

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Two months after we had been to James, I went to the mailbox and I saw an envelope from Japan

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and I came running into the house of the elf.

417
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Don, here's an envelope here from Japan.

418
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Well, look at that.

419
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As it turned out, Doug's climbing team had gone back to the spot where their friend perished

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and unearthed his camera from beneath mounds of snow.

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Inside the package was a photograph James van Prog had talked about.

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This is the picture taken at the base of the mountain.

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Oh, beautiful.

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Isn't that beautiful?

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There were just so many things that occurred that James could not have known about.

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That it would be impossible for him to have ever looked up or researched or anything.

427
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And that's really what made me a believer in him.

428
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Almost everything he said was correct and it really changed my whole belief.

429
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There is another side in that James was able to open it up to us.

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Does van Prog have genuine psychic abilities that enable him to communicate with those in the afterlife?

431
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Or is he highly perceptive, uncommonly skilled as scattershot guesswork?

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To find out we invited ten people to a seance as past December.

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None of the participants had ever seen or talked with van Prog before.

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They all hoped, however, to make contact with specific loved ones who had passed away.

435
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But keep in mind the session lasted several hours.

436
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We have excerpted some of the more dramatic moments.

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There's a lady that stands behind her, which is a very pretty woman.

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I'm going to tell you she's a very pretty woman.

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Her skin is very soft, I put it that way.

440
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And I feel she's young, lady.

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I got to tell you...

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Paula Hartlin came to the seance anxious to find out about her mother who had passed away in 1986 from emphysema.

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She says something about having some regrets. She had some regrets.

444
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And when she comes back, she's very connected to you.

445
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,360
Okay?

446
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It's her mom. It's your mother.

447
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,360
She might have passed over.

448
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,360
She might have passed over.

449
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,360
For six of the ten participants, van Prog was able to correctly identify the people they had hoped to contact.

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For some, he even revealed the cause of death.

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360
Jackie McDonald's daughter had been murdered in her own home.

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A scenario that van Prog sketched into tales.

453
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,360
Yes. And then she goes back into bed and she thinks, oh, it's just her mind playing games.

454
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And she climbs back to bed.

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And I have to say that she falls asleep and she shows me...

456
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See, the next thing she shows me is her being attacked.

457
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And there was someone on top with a knife.

458
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And I see the man...

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Oh, boy.

460
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He grabs something on the counter. It looks like the knife was in a...

461
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It was, wasn't it? It was in some kind of a holder because he pulls it out.

462
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Yes, the big block of knives.

463
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,360
That's it. Because it's not a draw.

464
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,360
The daughter showed me a visual. It's almost as if it's a very quick movie in front of my head and my mind.

465
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:03,360
And I see things very fast. It's a little shadowy, but certain details stick out.

466
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,360
And he loves birds, by the way.

467
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Matthew Hall wanted to find out about a friend who had killed himself.

468
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,360
But in this case, as in others, Van Progg drew a blank.

469
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,360
Any questions? Sure.

470
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,360
Is there, is there anybody, is there anything there from Freddie?

471
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,360
Anything there from Freddie.

472
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,360
Who's Freddie? Who's that?

473
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Freddie's a friend of mine.

474
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,360
The past owner.

475
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,360
Joking around. I'm being told Freddie's joking around. I don't know why.

476
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,360
Joking around.

477
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,360
Did you have a breathing at one point?

478
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,360
No.

479
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,360
He killed himself?

480
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,360
No, I don't get that.

481
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,360
No, I'm not kidding it.

482
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,360
I can't get it if it's not there.

483
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,360
It's hard to tell sometimes. I admit it's very hard to tell all the time.

484
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Exactly. It's not going to be 100%.

485
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,360
What's going to, you know, what's black is black and white is white.

486
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,360
Was that his ring?

487
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,360
During the séance, James Van Progg was unaware that this man, Professor Michael Shermer, had been planted in the group by Unsolved Mysteries.

488
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,360
Shermer is a publisher of a magazine that investigates, among other things, claims about psychic phenomena.

489
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,360
Van Progg is a mentalist. A mentalist is a magician doing an act.

490
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,360
He's doing what we call cold reading.

491
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,360
That is, you meet somebody you've never seen before and you tell them things about them.

492
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,360
You start general, you throw things out, rapid fire, you watch their facial expressions to see if you're getting hits or misses.

493
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,360
When you get a miss, you go right onto the next thing, you don't even blink.

494
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,360
When you get a hit, you follow that till the end, until they start saying no again.

495
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,360
And then you go to the next thing and you just keep doing that.

496
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Did she see different doctors at one period of time?

497
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Yes. Thank you. She was bedridden also, wasn't she?

498
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,360
Was she in a bed?

499
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,360
Just briefly.

500
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,360
Was his cancer that your mom?

501
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,360
No, it wasn't.

502
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,360
The reason I ask questions, yes and no questions, is, number one, I am also very human.

503
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:07,360
I have to validate that what I'm getting from the spirit is indeed, I'm on the right level with this individual that I'm speaking with.

504
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,360
I want to make sure that the spirit person is coming through right, that the information is correct.

505
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,360
I've got to give you something about a marriage here, something about a marriage.

506
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Was there a separation with the marriage, please?

507
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,360
Yes.

508
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,360
Did your husband pass over?

509
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,360
Because your husband's standing next to me and your husband is here, okay?

510
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,360
I get a very strong impact with him and he, an impact.

511
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,360
Was it a car he was driving, a pickup truck?

512
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,360
He wasn't driving well.

513
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,360
He was walking in this one down?

514
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,360
Was he crossing somewhere?

515
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,360
Yes, well he was in the street.

516
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,360
Yes.

517
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Laura Wachter Lentz's husband had indeed been struck by a car and killed.

518
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,360
No.

519
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,360
For Laura and Prague went on to make what seemed an astonishing revelation.

520
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Yes, you're going to get married again, he says.

521
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,360
You will get married again.

522
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,360
You will.

523
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,360
And he's going to help you, he's going to help you get married again.

524
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,360
And he says, honey, I'm going to get married again.

525
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:20,360
I was shocked that he would know that because only myself, my fiance and my sister and his mother knew.

526
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,360
They aren't even in the state and it wasn't something I was thinking about.

527
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,360
That kind of solidified things for me.

528
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,360
Most people who lose a spouse eventually do get remarried.

529
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,360
And then Prague will always keep it positive.

530
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,360
He wants you to know he loves you.

531
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,360
Well, of course, what else is he going to say?

532
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,360
He wants you to know you'll be remarried.

533
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,360
Well, what's he going to say?

534
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360
You'll never be married again, you'll be miserable, miserable spints to the rest of your life.

535
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,360
This isn't going to happen, right?

536
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,360
So these are just general principles of cold reading.

537
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,360
And he says, you have to have a lady in the house on the map.

538
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,360
Stan Wheel attended the seance with his wife Teresa.

539
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,360
They intentionally sat on opposite sides of the room.

540
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Oh, you've had major loss, a traumatic loss.

541
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,360
Gotcha, thank you very much.

542
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,360
And you're connected, aren't you?

543
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,360
You two, is this your wife?

544
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,360
Yes.

545
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,360
Because he's pointing to her, you know, you're his wife.

546
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,360
What's your name?

547
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Teresa.

548
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,360
The Wheels had come to the session hoping to find out about their 19-year-old son, Kevin,

549
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,360
who had been innocently gunned down in 1991,

550
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,360
allegedly by gang members in a drive-by shooting.

551
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,360
Yeah, I want to bring in your, is it a boy?

552
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,360
Yes.

553
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Because they get a boy?

554
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Yes.

555
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,360
Okay, so the son, he says I'm their son.

556
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,360
Yes.

557
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,360
Okay, was he killed?

558
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,360
Yes.

559
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,360
Was he involved here, please?

560
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Yes.

561
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Because he shows me a gun and he says he was shot.

562
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,360
Yes.

563
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,360
I don't feel he was shot once, I feel he was shot more than once.

564
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Okay?

565
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360
I feel riddled, I really do with bullets.

566
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,360
Yes, I do.

567
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,360
I feel many bullets in me and this is what he's giving me here.

568
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,360
I'm sorry.

569
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,360
It's a gang, it's a gang.

570
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,360
Yes.

571
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,360
Gang of kids, gang of kids.

572
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Teresa approached me to come in to see James on Prague.

573
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,360
I was skeptical, I really didn't want to come.

574
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,360
But then to know that Kevin was killed with a gun and it was multiple shots,

575
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,360
it was outside on a street,

576
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,360
he just kept alluding to more and more of the things that he had no idea,

577
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360
he would have had no idea.

578
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,360
I go, a big K, and I don't know why, but I'm being given the K.

579
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,360
Is his name with a K, please?

580
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Yes.

581
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,360
Kevin, thank you as I said.

582
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,360
He said, I see a big K and the first name he said was Kevin.

583
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,360
I mean, how could, you can't get that off of, you know, just being around this room.

584
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,360
It was just amazing.

585
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,360
I think he's wonderful, absolutely wonderful.

586
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,360
First of all, she had her son's ring on,

587
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,360
big black ring with a K in diamonds on this ring around her necklace, around her neck.

588
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Now, maybe he saw that, maybe he didn't.

589
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,360
I don't know.

590
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,360
I go, a big K, and I don't know why, but I'm being given the K.

591
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,360
I was watching her eyes, you know, she starts crying, eyes are like saucers,

592
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,360
and he already knows it's her son that died.

593
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,360
So, two most common names for boys with starting with a K,

594
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,360
Ken and Kevin.

595
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,360
He says, Ken or Kevin, she says Kevin, bingo, Kevin.

596
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Now, she'll run home and tell everybody,

597
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,360
he got my son's name, Kevin, right like that, and I didn't tell him.

598
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,360
No, he didn't get it.

599
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,360
However, Teresa claims that Van Prog couldn't have seen the ring,

600
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,360
because she had kept it hidden in the bodice of her dress.

601
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,360
But perhaps disagreements about details are beside the point.

602
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,360
Van Prog may not have satisfied everyone at the seance.

603
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Most felt a sense of comfort and healing.

604
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,360
Yes, I used to sit there all the time.

605
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,360
I do feel a little more at peace.

606
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,360
I know that there is another life after this,

607
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,360
because what James had told me through Kevin,

608
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,360
and the fact that he sees me, that he hears me talking to him,

609
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,360
that it's not all in vain, is what really makes me feel at ease.

610
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,360
Sometimes you don't know how you're going to make it from one minute to the next.

611
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,360
It's so horribly painful.

612
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,360
But now I know that my Debbie can see me,

613
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,360
and that she can hear me, and I can tell her I love her.

614
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,360
There was just quite a few things that were close enough

615
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,360
that made you think, well, he's tapping into something.

616
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,360
I'm just not quite sure what it is.

617
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,360
And when one realizes that there is a life after death,

618
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,360
it indeed will change their life and how they live on the earth,

619
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,360
and how they treat each other.

620
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,360
And that is really my most important belief, my mission.

621
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,360
On our next Unsolved Mysteries, in 1988,

622
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,360
a massive explosion killed six firefighters in Kansas City, Missouri.

623
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,360
In the tragic aftermath, investigators determined that arson was the cause,

624
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
making the six deaths nothing less than cold-blooded murders.

625
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Join me next Friday for another intriguing edition of Unsolved Mysteries.